{"id":781706,"date":"2024-01-29T18:09:57","date_gmt":"2024-01-29T16:09:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newsmaker.md\/?p=781706"},"modified":"2024-01-30T09:38:56","modified_gmt":"2024-01-30T07:38:56","slug":"el-traieste-in-israel-ca-cetatean-al-statului-israel-ambasadorul-israelului-in-moldova-despre-sor-razboi-si-moldovenii-care-muncesc-in-israel-interviu-nm","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newsmaker.md\/ro\/el-traieste-in-israel-ca-cetatean-al-statului-israel-ambasadorul-israelului-in-moldova-despre-sor-razboi-si-moldovenii-care-muncesc-in-israel-interviu-nm","title":{"rendered":"\u201eEl tr\u0103ie\u0219te \u00een Israel ca cet\u0103\u021bean al statului Israel\u201d. Ambasadorul Israelului \u00een Moldova, despre \u0218or, r\u0103zboi \u0219i moldovenii care muncesc \u00een Israel. Interviu NM"},"content":{"rendered":"

Ambasadorul Israelului \u00een Moldova, Joel Lion, a povestit \u00eentr-un interviu acordat corespondentului NM Nicolae Paholni\u021bchi cum a influen\u021bat r\u0103zboiul rela\u021bia dintre Moldova \u0219i Israel, despre procedurile de extr\u0103dare a lui Ilan \u0218or \u0219i despre refuzul Ministerului Muncii \u0219i Protec\u021biei Sociale de a trimite migran\u021bi \u00een Israel. <\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201e\u0218or nu a comis nicio crim\u0103 \u00eempotriva statului Israel\u201d<\/h3>\n

Cum aprecia\u021bi rela\u021biile dintre Moldova \u0219i Israel \u00een acest moment?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Este dificil s\u0103 vorbe\u0219ti despre rela\u021bii c\u00e2nd Israelul poart\u0103 un r\u0103zboi pentru existen\u021ba sa. Acum, chiar lupt\u0103m nu pentru supravie\u021buire, ci pentru existen\u021ba statului Israel. Acestea sunt sentimentele pe care le tr\u0103im acum. Am fost ataca\u021bi. Teritoriul nostru a fost invadat. \u00cei for\u021b\u0103m s\u0103 se retrag\u0103. Ideologia lor este ideologia mor\u021bii. Metodele lor sunt cruzimea, violul \u00een mas\u0103, crima \u00een mas\u0103 etc. Ei cred c\u0103 \u00een a\u0219a mod \u00eei vor for\u021ba pe evrei s\u0103 p\u0103r\u0103seasc\u0103 teritoriul statului Israel. Este greu.<\/p>\n

Da, ar fi frumos s\u0103 vin aici pentru a men\u021bine rela\u021biile bilaterale \u2013 \u0219i pentru asta sunt aici, dar e greu de realizat acum acest obiectiv. Exist\u0103 rela\u021bii foarte bune \u00eentre Israel \u0219i Moldova, continu\u0103m s\u0103 le sus\u021binem \u0219i vrem s\u0103 le p\u0103str\u0103m. Cooper\u0103m \u00een multe domenii: at\u00e2t pe arena interna\u021bional\u0103, c\u00e2t \u0219i \u00een domeniul culturii, \u00eencepem s\u0103 cooper\u0103m \u00een domeniul economic. A fost o vizit\u0103 minunat\u0103 a ministrului nostru de Externe [Eli Cohen] \u00een Moldova, acum fostul dumneavoastr\u0103 ministru [Nicu Popescu] a vorbit la telefon cu fostul nostru ministru, a\u0219a c\u0103 rela\u021bia este bun\u0103 \u0219i func\u021bioneaz\u0103 la toate nivelurile.<\/p>\n

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Unul dintre cei mai renumi\u021bi cet\u0103\u021beni moldoveni care tr\u0103ie\u0219te acum \u00een Israel este Ilan \u0218or. \u00cen Moldova a fost condamnat la 15 ani de \u00eenchisoare, dar este \u0219i cet\u0103\u021bean israelian. C\u00e2t de real este ca acesta s\u0103 fie extr\u0103dat \u00een Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Este o problem\u0103 juridic\u0103 \u0219i trebuie solu\u021bionat\u0103 ca una juridic\u0103. Aceasta nu este o problem\u0103 politic\u0103, nu este o problem\u0103 diplomatic\u0103 \u0219i nu este o problem\u0103 ce \u021bine de rela\u021biile bilaterale. Aceasta este o problem\u0103 juridic\u0103 care trebuie solu\u021bionat\u0103 de instan\u021bele din Israel. Exist\u0103 o procedur\u0103 juridic\u0103 care trebuie respectat\u0103.<\/p>\n

A\u021bi putea s\u0103 ne explica\u021bi cum func\u021bioneaz\u0103 aceast\u0103 procedur\u0103?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Aceasta este o procedur\u0103 juridic\u0103 adoptat\u0103 \u00een Israel. \u0218ti\u021bi c\u0103 avem un sistem de justi\u021bie independent. Cet\u0103\u021beanului \u00eei sunt mai \u00eent\u00e2i \u00eenaintate acuza\u021biile, apoi merge \u00een instan\u021b\u0103, apoi are dreptul s\u0103 se adreseze tuturor instan\u021belor \u015fi s\u0103 fac\u0103 recurs. \u0218i adev\u0103rul este c\u0103 procedura \u0219i metodele nu pot fi dezb\u0103tute public. Dup\u0103 cum am spus deja, aceasta este o problem\u0103 juridic\u0103 care trebuie rezolvat\u0103 la nivel de instan\u021be. \u00cen caz contrar este ingerin\u021b\u0103 \u00een justi\u021bie. \u00cen \u021b\u0103rile democratice exist\u0103 trei ramuri de guvernare: iar executivul nu poate spune nimic \u0219i nu se poate implica \u00een procesele autorit\u0103\u021bilor legislative sau judiciare.<\/p>\n

Ministerul Justi\u021biei din Moldova s-a adresat Ministerului Justi\u021biei din Israel cu o solicitare de extr\u0103dare, iar aceasta este \u00een curs de examinare.<\/p>\n

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SUA, UE \u0219i Marea Britanie i-au impus sanc\u021biuni lui Ilan \u0218or. \u00cei afecteaz\u0103 cumva aceast\u0103 decizie \u0219ederea \u00een Israel? Are vreo restric\u021bie?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nu \u0219tiu cum \u0219i din ce motive – m\u0103 refer la motive legale – au decis s\u0103 aplice sanc\u021biunile. \u00cen Israel nu avem un sistem de sanc\u021biuni \u00eempotriva cet\u0103\u021benilor \u021b\u0103rii. Nu exist\u0103 nimic asem\u0103n\u0103tor.<\/p>\n

Adic\u0103 tr\u0103ie\u0219te \u00een Israel ca to\u021bi ceilal\u021bi oameni?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tr\u0103ie\u0219te \u00een Israel ca cet\u0103\u021bean al statului Israel. El nu a comis nicio crim\u0103 \u00eempotriva statului Israel.<\/p>\n

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\u201eSuntem \u00een r\u0103zboi \u0219i nu doar muncitorii str\u0103ini sunt \u00een pericol\u201d<\/h3>\n

O alt\u0103 problem\u0103 important\u0103 \u00een rela\u021biile dintre Israel \u0219i Moldova are leg\u0103tur\u0103 cu munca migran\u021bilor moldoveni \u00een Israel. S\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2na trecut\u0103, Ministerul Muncii din Moldova a acuzat Israelul c\u0103 a \u00eenc\u0103lcat un acord care afecteaz\u0103 munca lucr\u0103torilor migran\u021bi. \u00cen special, Ministerul Muncii sus\u021bine c\u0103 \u201elucr\u0103torii sunt angaja\u021bi pentru a lucra \u00een zone de conflict cu risc sporit, unor lucr\u0103tori li s-au luat pa\u0219apoartele de c\u0103tre angajatori \u0219i au fost raportate cazuri de confiscare a bagajelor\u201d. Cum comenta\u021bi aceste acuza\u021bii? Cum poate fi rezolvat\u0103 aceast\u0103 problem\u0103?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cred c\u0103 dac\u0103 sunt probleme \u00een ceea ce prive\u0219te acordul dintre Israel \u0219i Moldova, atunci acest lucru ar trebui s\u0103 fie discutat pe canale diplomatice, \u0219i nu prin intermediul presei. Dou\u0103 \u021b\u0103ri prietene nu ar trebui s\u0103 comunice prin mass-media. Prin urmare, primul lucru pe care l-am f\u0103cut a fost s\u0103 m\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2lnesc cu secretarul de stat Felicia Bechtold \u0219i sper s\u0103 m\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2lnesc cu ministrul [Alexei Buzu].<\/p>\n

\u00cen al doilea r\u00e2nd, exist\u0103 o ne\u00een\u021belegere a situa\u021biei din Israel. Suntem \u00een r\u0103zboi. \u0218i dac\u0103 lucr\u0103torii nu se simt \u00een siguran\u021b\u0103, au dreptul s\u0103 plece. Nu am auzit niciodat\u0103 de probleme cu pa\u0219apoartele \u0219i cu bagajele. Cred c\u0103 nu este adev\u0103rat, dar nu am nicio dovad\u0103. Nu pot spune dac\u0103 este adev\u0103rat sau nu, dar trebuie s\u0103 verific\u0103m pentru c\u0103 dac\u0103 este adev\u0103rat, atunci este o problem\u0103. Dar, din nou, nu doar lucr\u0103torii str\u0103ini sunt expu\u0219i riscului \u00een Israel.<\/p>\n

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\u00cen \u021bara noastr\u0103, peste 100 de mii de oameni au fost nevoi\u021bi s\u0103-\u0219i p\u0103r\u0103seasc\u0103 locuin\u021bele din cauza r\u0103zboiului, iar \u00een total aproximativ 250 de mii de oameni au avut de suferit din cauza r\u0103zboiului. Acum toat\u0103 aten\u021bia autorit\u0103\u021bilor este concentrat\u0103 pe rezolvarea acestor probleme, iar dac\u0103 lucr\u0103torii str\u0103ini au probleme, ace\u0219tia vor fi trata\u021bi la fel ca cet\u0103\u021benii israelieni. \u0218i dac\u0103 nu se simt \u00een siguran\u021b\u0103, au tot dreptul s\u0103 p\u0103r\u0103seasc\u0103 \u021bara. Nu punem oamenii \u00een pericol \u0219i nu \u00eei for\u021b\u0103m s\u0103 munceasc\u0103.<\/p>\n

\u0218i \u00eenc\u0103 ceva despre migran\u021bii care muncesc – anul trecut, ambasadorul Moldovei \u00een Israel, Alexandr Roitman, sus\u021binea c\u0103 Moldova \u0219i Israel lucreaz\u0103 la recunoa\u0219terea reciproc\u0103 a permiselor de conducere. \u00cen ce stadiu se afl\u0103 acum acest proces?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Este gata \u0219i \u00een proces de a fi semnat de c\u0103tre ministrul israelian al Transporturilor. Dar din nou, suntem \u00een r\u0103zboi, ministrul trebuie s\u0103-l semneze, iar ministrul nu c\u0103l\u0103tore\u0219te. Este important ca cititorii dumneavoastr\u0103 s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 c\u0103 nu dorim s\u0103 reducem nivelul rela\u021biilor cu Moldova. Iubim Moldova \u0219i sper\u0103m ca Moldova s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 c\u0103 ducem un r\u0103zboi pentru existen\u021b\u0103.<\/p>\n

\u00cen\u021beleg bine c\u0103, \u00een timp ce este r\u0103zboi,\u00a0 vizita \u00een Moldova a premierului israelian Benjamin Netanyahu, discutat\u0103 anterior \u00eentre \u021b\u0103ri, este imposibil\u0103, \u00eentruc\u00e2t guvernul nu c\u0103l\u0103tore\u0219te \u00een afara \u021b\u0103rii?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Da, este imposibil\u0103.<\/p>\n

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\u201eCe a\u0219tepta\u021bi de la antisemi\u021bi?\u201d<\/h3>\n

Israelul \u00ee\u0219i continu\u0103 opera\u021biunea militar\u0103 \u00een Gaza, care a \u00eenceput dup\u0103 atacul Hamas. Dar multe \u021b\u0103ri, organiza\u021bii interna\u021bionale \u0219i activi\u0219ti pentru drepturile omului au criticat Israelul pentru atacuri la \u00eent\u00e2mplare \u0219i moartea civililor. Ei vorbesc despre lipsa de respect pentru drepturile omului \u00een regiune \u0219i chiar acuz\u0103 Israelul c\u0103 a comis crime de r\u0103zboi. De exemplu, Amnesty International<\/a> a scris despre asta acum c\u00e2teva s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni. Care sunt planurile Israelului \u0219i c\u00e2nd ne putem a\u0219tepta la o \u00eencetare a focului?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ce a\u0219tept\u0103ri ave\u021bi de la antisemi\u021bi? Amnesty International este o organiza\u021bie antisemit\u0103. Amnesty International nu a condamnat niciodat\u0103 atacul Hamas asupra cet\u0103\u021benilor israelieni din 7 octombrie. ONU nu a condamnat niciodat\u0103 atacul Hamas. C\u00e2nd am \u00eencercat s\u0103 lu\u0103m leg\u0103tura cu organiza\u021biile interna\u021bionale \u0219i s\u0103 vorbim despre violuri, au adus dovezi – dac\u0103 dori\u021bi, v\u0103 pot ar\u0103ta probele (ambasadorul i-a ar\u0103tat corespondentului NM c\u00e2teva videoclipuri legate de atacul Hamas asupra Israelului – NM) – nimeni nu a vrut s\u0103 ne asculte. Deci, ce a\u0219tept\u0103m de la astfel de organiza\u021bii care se opun Statului Israel \u0219i \u00eencearc\u0103 s\u0103 ajute organiza\u021bia terorist\u0103 barbar\u0103 Hamas, al c\u0103rei scop \u00een Conven\u021bia din 1988 este declarat a fi distrugerea Statului Israel. Vor s\u0103 ucid\u0103 evrei. \u0218i iat\u0103 dumneavoastr\u0103 veni\u021bi \u0219i m\u0103 \u00eentreba\u021bi \u00a0dac\u0103 armata israelian\u0103 se comport\u0103 etic. \u0218ti\u021bi, dac\u0103 am fi vrut a\u0219a \u0219i nu am fi respectat dreptul interna\u021bional, atunci pe 8 octombrie nu ar mai fi fost niciun Hamas \u00een Gaza. Facem totul \u00een conformitate cu dreptul interna\u021bional. Facem tot posibilul pentru a nu r\u0103ni oamenii neimplica\u021bi.<\/p>\n

De ce aceste organiza\u021bii nu \u00eentreab\u0103 unde sunt cei 136 de israelieni r\u0103pi\u021bi din paturile lor de c\u0103tre Gaza? Mame, copii, v\u00e2rstnici. \u0218i nimeni nu vorbe\u0219te despre aceasta. Hamas este cea care comite crime \u00eempotriva umanit\u0103\u021bii. Hamas este cea care nu permite Crucii Ro\u0219ii s\u0103 ajung\u0103 la ostaticii r\u0103pi\u021bi. Hamas \u00ee\u0219i ia ostatic\u0103 propria popula\u021bie. Hamas este cea care lanseaz\u0103 rachete din spitale, construie\u0219te tuneluri sub spitale, pune RPG-uri sub paturile copiilor. Deci cine comite acum crime \u00eempotriva umanit\u0103\u021bii? De ce nu vorbe\u0219te lumea despre asta?<\/p>\n

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Nu justific Hamas. Dar cum ar ar\u0103ta un plan de pace pentru Gaza?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dou\u0103 lucruri. Dori\u021bi s\u0103 \u00eenceteze r\u0103zboiul? Hamas se pred\u0103 \u0219i to\u021bi ostaticii no\u0219tri se \u00eentorc acas\u0103. Vre\u021bi pace \u00een Gaza? Hamas se pred\u0103 \u0219i to\u021bi ostaticii no\u0219tri se \u00eentorc acas\u0103. Vre\u021bi ajutor umanitar? Hamas se pred\u0103 \u0219i to\u021bi ostaticii no\u0219tri se \u00eentorc acas\u0103.<\/p>\n

\u201ePentru a atrage investi\u021bii, \u00eentregul sistem trebuie schimbat\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ambasadorul Republicii Moldova \u00een Israel, Alexandr Roitman, a declarat \u00eentr-un interviu c\u0103 \u021b\u0103rile lucreaz\u0103 la o reducere reciproc\u0103 a tarifelor de roaming. C\u00e2nd va fi posibil acest lucru?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I-am explicat asta ambasadorului dumneavoastr\u0103, acest lucru se poate produce [la nivelul negocierilor] \u00eentre companii. Nu la nivel guvernamental. Operatorii priva\u021bi trebuie s\u0103 se a\u0219eze \u00eempreun\u0103 \u0219i s\u0103 fac\u0103 asta. Bine\u00een\u021beles c\u0103 noi, ca guvern, \u00eencuraj\u0103m acest pas, ne dorim aceast\u0103 decizie, dar este o \u00een\u021belegere \u00eentre companii private.<\/p>\n

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C\u00e2\u021bi cet\u0103\u021beni moldoveni locuiesc \u00een prezent \u00een Israel?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nu \u0219tiu. Cred c\u0103 ar trebui s\u0103 \u00eentreba\u021bi Ambasada Republicii Moldova \u00een Israel. Sper c\u0103 putem contribui la dezvoltarea rela\u021biilor noastre economice. Trebuie s\u0103 \u00eencepem cu proiecte mici \u0219i apoi s\u0103 trecem la altele mai mari. Pentru a face acest lucru, trebuie s\u0103 g\u0103sim ni\u0219a \u00een care sunte\u021bi buni \u0219i de care avem nevoie.<\/p>\n

V\u0103 referi\u021bi la investi\u021bii \u00een Moldova?<\/strong><\/p>\n

M\u0103 refer la exportul din Moldova \u00een Israel. \u0218i, eventual, investi\u021bii. Dar \u00een primul r\u00e2nd, pentru a atrage investi\u021bii, \u00eentregul sistem trebuie schimbat. Dar asta e o alt\u0103 \u00eentrebare. Poate c\u0103 peste c\u00e2\u021biva ani totul va fi bine. \u00a0Sunte\u021bi pe drumul cel bun.<\/p>\n

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